Chair/Editor: Alun P (Leeds)
Deputy Chair/Editor: hazard (Oxford)
Contributors: gyanhan (Oxford), Slender (Sheffield), Becky Greenwood (Loughborough), Rush (Edinburgh), ATHunter (Aberdeen), Tonks, Clackers, Ed Hanton
Deputy Chair/Editor: hazard (Oxford)
Contributors: gyanhan (Oxford), Slender (Sheffield), Becky Greenwood (Loughborough), Rush (Edinburgh), ATHunter (Aberdeen), Tonks, Clackers, Ed Hanton
Headlines
Scotland dominate the weekend (with 1st, 2nd and 4th) as Glasgow retain their crown in a repeat of their Scottish final against Edinburgh.
Manchester beat their initial seeding by 10 places to claim Bronze
Birmingham show continued strength, Loughborough show some grit, Bath do slightly better than their initial bottom seeding, Leeds suffer heartbreak.
Best-of-the-rest: Oxford, Hertfordshire and Aberdeen put up dominant results in lower brackets.
Birmingham 2 finish 12th, proving the doubters wrong
Plymouth win spirit!
Two regional winners - Huddersfield and Newcastle - finish as bottom two.
Full Results
Scotland dominate the weekend (with 1st, 2nd and 4th) as Glasgow retain their crown in a repeat of their Scottish final against Edinburgh.
Manchester beat their initial seeding by 10 places to claim Bronze
Birmingham show continued strength, Loughborough show some grit, Bath do slightly better than their initial bottom seeding, Leeds suffer heartbreak.
Best-of-the-rest: Oxford, Hertfordshire and Aberdeen put up dominant results in lower brackets.
Birmingham 2 finish 12th, proving the doubters wrong
Plymouth win spirit!
Two regional winners - Huddersfield and Newcastle - finish as bottom two.
Full Results
1. Glasgow
2. Edinburgh
3. Manchester
4. Strathclyde
5. Birmingham 1
6. Loughborough
7. Bath
8. Leeds
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9. Oxford
10. Imperial
11. Hertfordshire
12. Birmingham 2
13. Aberdeen
14. Nottingham
15. Sheffield
16. Plymouth
17. Reading
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18. Warwick
19. Newcastle
20. Huddersfield
Division 2* 1. St. Andrews 2. Liverpool 3. Sussex --- 4. Durham 5. Bangor 6. Sheffield Hallam 7. Cambridge 8. Exeter 9. Bristol 10. Southampton 11. Brunel 12. Newcastle 2 13. Portsmouth --- 14. York 15. Swansea 16. Nottingham Trent
*We're very sorry, but due to the Div 1 chat taking up a lot of time and some other unavoidable incidents, we didn't manage to get a Div 2 chat. Basically, St. Andrews smashed it. Video here. Feel free to add more information as comments.
Division 2* 1. St. Andrews 2. Liverpool 3. Sussex --- 4. Durham 5. Bangor 6. Sheffield Hallam 7. Cambridge 8. Exeter 9. Bristol 10. Southampton 11. Brunel 12. Newcastle 2 13. Portsmouth --- 14. York 15. Swansea 16. Nottingham Trent
*We're very sorry, but due to the Div 1 chat taking up a lot of time and some other unavoidable incidents, we didn't manage to get a Div 2 chat. Basically, St. Andrews smashed it. Video here. Feel free to add more information as comments.
Welcome to the official UXIN (University Mixed Indoor Nationals) chat! Our contributors will start off discussing what went down at Alan Higgs, in Division 1.
Scotland did quite well
Alun P
Let's start at the sharp end of things. Much to the satisfaction of everyone north of the border, the Scottish backed up their bravado with a second consecutive UXIN title for Glasgow, and two more teams in the top four. Any insights into what made them quite so dominant this weekend?
hazard
hazard
Either the club scene is really helping the uni scene, or vice versa. Glasgow Ultimate and Black Eagles (two of the top four teams in the UK) were very well represented in Coventry this weekend. Although I’ve no idea which is feeding into which.
gyanhan
gyanhan
The Scottish teams made heavy use of overheads that were precise regardless of whether into space or to the receiver. Their players also had extremely sticky hands that brought down discs coming in at all angles. When you utilise the break side so effectively, it’s pretty hard to stop.
Watching them play on Saturday, I was 99.99% sure we were going to see a Scottish top 3 and I was pretty close :P They are remarkably well drilled, those overhead shots can’t be that accurate without lots of practice and team chemistry.
hazard
Watching them play on Saturday, I was 99.99% sure we were going to see a Scottish top 3 and I was pretty close :P They are remarkably well drilled, those overhead shots can’t be that accurate without lots of practice and team chemistry.
hazard
Alun, how does it feel to have reluctantly predicted the final?
Alun P
Alun P
Pride and shame in equal measure...
hazard
hazard
Well don’t worry. I’m sure all our contributors (cough Rush cough) will be similarly humble about such predictions.
Alun P
Alun P
I can only speak for Glasgow of the Scottish teams, but something that really stood out was that they used the pull as a defensive weapon much more effectively than the other teams we played. The extra edge from making the offence play from the back of the endzone time after time can turn tight games in their favour, just by adding the extra couple of yards to cover.
hazard
hazard
In the final you could actually see that from both teams. Nearly every time, the offence had to start at the back of their own endzone. Although I would say Lochlan Fisher of Edinburgh was actually doing the most knifey pulls of the people there.
Alun P
Alun P
It's a tough skill, especially on the bigger 3G pitches. I brought one out against Glasgow in pools, and it dropped a good two feet short.
Edinburgh found themselves outmatched when 'pitted' against Glasgow in the final. Photo by Andrew Hunter for the ShowGame |
Slender
God the Scottish teams are good aren’t they? All the Scottish teams seemed to have such strength in depth and don’t just rely on their star players, as evidenced by Glasgow losing two of their best in Axel Ahmala and Duncan Webster and yet being able to retain their title (Not to sound bitter but it’s almost like having four year degrees as standard really helps the continuity of the teams).
hazard
hazard
In general though, I’d agree with Slender. When we played against Strathclyde, and watching Glasgow/Edinburgh, you notice a main thing: the depth of teams. Even losing their top couple players, Glasgow were really strong. And I know Edinburgh have another couple strong people in reserve too. It is possible to shut out any one or two of their players. Unless your whole team can do it though, you’re in trouble.
Becky Greenwood
Becky Greenwood
Loughborough’s game against Glasgow in quarters was so so good, Glasgow just have loads of old players that have been in these clutch positions before so dealt with the pressure better- their women were insane as well!
hazard
hazard
Also, a small note about the difference between Edinburgh and Glasgow. Edinburgh played very outdoors-style offence. It was a bit flatter, and relied on them running patterns and getting free, which Glasgow did a good job to pressure. It should bode very well for them outdoors.
Glasgow’s offence was a bit more reliant on throws, rather than movement. As such, the only thing that could really stop them was Glasgow not clicking. Which, well, didn’t seem to happen.
Glasgow’s offence was a bit more reliant on throws, rather than movement. As such, the only thing that could really stop them was Glasgow not clicking. Which, well, didn’t seem to happen.
Rush
Just want to throw this one in the mixer, Edinburgh and Glasgow played each other in the final at ScUXIR and had a very similar result to the final of UXIN.... Strathclyde dominated most comers, Aberdeen finished well in Div 1 too... is there any stopping us? We are a dominant force in the country right now!
hazard
hazard
The only thing stopping you being more dominant is apparently the Heriot Watt exam season…
As a very brief explanation - Heriot pulled out instantly after qualifying, as they knew they couldn’t attend Nats. They were hoping the extra bid would go to Strathclyde 2, the next in line from their region. Instead, UKU decided it should go to Yorkshire and East Midlands.
As a very brief explanation - Heriot pulled out instantly after qualifying, as they knew they couldn’t attend Nats. They were hoping the extra bid would go to Strathclyde 2, the next in line from their region. Instead, UKU decided it should go to Yorkshire and East Midlands.
Rush
The Heriot Watt exam season is an unfortunate shame every year. The boys missed out on Outdoor Nats leading to a fine from BUCS due to exams.
hazard
hazard
So, closing the Scottish section with the words of Glasgow captain Joel Terry:
We went into the weekend wanting to play happy, stay hyped and bring our best game. Being seeded first also meant that there were high expectations for us so we were definitely aiming for Gold. Competition this year was much tougher than last time round and we knew that we had to keep our intensity up and focus if we wanted to win.
We went into the weekend wanting to play happy, stay hyped and bring our best game. Being seeded first also meant that there were high expectations for us so we were definitely aiming for Gold. Competition this year was much tougher than last time round and we knew that we had to keep our intensity up and focus if we wanted to win.
Every game in the brackets were tough and not much separated the top 4. So yeah, it was a hard grind to the top and we are super pleased with our win! Really proud of everyone for the stellar performance!
There was one downside about the weekend, that being our spirit score. We will definitely be looking into why it was so low and adjust it for our next outing.
Manchester claim bronze
Alun P
Moving down the map, and sadly, the leaderboard, let's work through the rest of the top eight. First up, Manchester, who managed to break up the Scottish podium love-in. A strong comeback after losing out on the regional title. Thoughts?
Slender
Manchester did really well, but also like the Scots have a really strong team all round with a couple of stand out players like Steve Dixon.
Becky Greenwood
Slender
Manchester did really well, but also like the Scots have a really strong team all round with a couple of stand out players like Steve Dixon.
Becky Greenwood
Manchester were solid, their team seems timeless because loads of players are postgrads! Their women ran relentless undercuts and their guys just kept resetting until they got free!
Tonks
Tonks
He's right to say the bracket games were tough, all the quarters & semis were 2pt margin at most
hazard
hazard
On the note of tough games, here’s what captain Robbie Kyme had to say when asked for a quote:
I was captain for the weekend and to be honest I don’t feel the need to say anything.
I was captain for the weekend and to be honest I don’t feel the need to say anything.
Clearly the ShowGame made some huge errors in the predictions. I can’t say much about the rest of the article (or others), because I don’t care enough to read them.
Sure you might all find it exciting that we apparently came out of nowhere entering as 13th seed (or whatever it was). But at the end of the day, it’s nationals. I’d expect many of the games to always be tight at most levels. Our all round quality was just able to see a majority of the games out over other teams.
Sure you might all find it exciting that we apparently came out of nowhere entering as 13th seed (or whatever it was). But at the end of the day, it’s nationals. I’d expect many of the games to always be tight at most levels. Our all round quality was just able to see a majority of the games out over other teams.
I’m pretty sure we lost both to Loughborough and Edinburgh by 1 point and that I lost the toss on both of those games. Had I of won those tosses and started on O instead, who’s to say we couldn’t of won the tournament?
That’s how fine the margins are.
The same thing happened to Strathclyde in their semi against Glasgow and I’m sure many other teams will have experienced something similar too. Perhaps even against us.
The same thing happened to Strathclyde in their semi against Glasgow and I’m sure many other teams will have experienced something similar too. Perhaps even against us.
hazard
On that other side of things, it’s worth noting Manchester beat Birmingham by one, and both Plymouth and Leeds by only two. Games which I’m sure some people on the chat can attest to being close.
Alun P
Alun P
Finding ways to win those tight games time after time separates the great teams from the good, and Manchester certainly ended up looking pretty great.
Clackers
Clackers
Seems like Manchester coming 2nd at Regionals was just unfortunate for them.
hazard
hazard
I think there can be no better summary of the weekend for Manchester than this.
source: twitter.com/UoMUltimate |
Rest of the top 8
Alun P
The top eight was rounded out by Birmingham 1, Loughborough, Bath and Leeds. Besides some pleasant alliteration, was anyone surprised to see that collection come out of the crossovers to challenge the pool winners?
Becky Greenwood
Becky Greenwood
uBu were consistently good, their system is really efficient because they can score deep with ease!
Slender
Slender
Loughborough looked to be playing really well and might feel they could have nabbed a top four spot had they not come up against Glasgow in the quarters. However they only have themselves to blame after beating Manchester and then losing to Plymouth to miss out on topping the pool. It looked like a lot of the Leeds players had mentally checked out after their quarter final loss and couldn’t really raise themselves back up for the last two games.
Becky Greenwood
Becky Greenwood
Tonks
Oxford not making top 8 was a bit surprising given the experience on their team.
Alun P
Alun P
uBu certainly looked like a dangerous side to run into trying to cross up to the top bracket. And efficiency is a deadly quality to have.
hazard
hazard
I feel that on our day, we (Oxford) could have beaten uBu. But this time, we didn’t, so fair play to them, they were the better team this weekend. They played a deep game that relied on core connections and isolating certain match ups. I will also say that I think Grace Owen alone gained them a few seeds. Not because she’s necessarily a better player (she is a good player, but it’s not the point I’m making), but simply because she was so much calmer than anyone on either side when it got competitive. It’s what I think the difference was between uBu and Loughborough for the 5 vs 6, certainly.
Tonks
Tonks
Rupal was great for Loughborough, making great grabs but also throwing some pinpoint hammers. One of the few players to miss GB U24 training and play the whole tournament, missing their women definitely hurt some other teams e.g. Imperial and Claire Baker.
Alun P
Alun P
Bath looked good in the 7v8, and didn’t lose by much to Loughborough or Strathclyde before that. Captain Ben Giles provided some thoughts:
“We felt we had a fairly good tournament and in all honesty could have finished anywhere from 4-7. We had a strong Saturday apart from our game against Edinburgh where we were simply outplayed - a combination of them being very very good and us having a poor game. The Strathclyde game could have gone either way. I thought they were very strong and we really struggled to deal with their offence and their break side throws - our height disadvantage made scoobers particularly easy but the fact the game went to universe shows how strong our offence also was in that game. I think there may not have been any turns/ certainly no breaks in the last 14 points in the game.
Our game against Loughborough was equally tight. The standard was a little lower and i felt we should have won this game. We were a point up when the buzzer went but a sloppy turn on universe meant that once again we missed out. We were pleased to finish strongly against Leeds and hopefully showed that 7th was the lowest we should have finished and that we could have competed a little higher in the bracket. Missing 2 women to GB U24s also did not help us but the squad was really tight and i think we’ll have a great chance when it comes to outdoors”
hazard
“We felt we had a fairly good tournament and in all honesty could have finished anywhere from 4-7. We had a strong Saturday apart from our game against Edinburgh where we were simply outplayed - a combination of them being very very good and us having a poor game. The Strathclyde game could have gone either way. I thought they were very strong and we really struggled to deal with their offence and their break side throws - our height disadvantage made scoobers particularly easy but the fact the game went to universe shows how strong our offence also was in that game. I think there may not have been any turns/ certainly no breaks in the last 14 points in the game.
Our game against Loughborough was equally tight. The standard was a little lower and i felt we should have won this game. We were a point up when the buzzer went but a sloppy turn on universe meant that once again we missed out. We were pleased to finish strongly against Leeds and hopefully showed that 7th was the lowest we should have finished and that we could have competed a little higher in the bracket. Missing 2 women to GB U24s also did not help us but the squad was really tight and i think we’ll have a great chance when it comes to outdoors”
hazard
Alun, how did you feel from a Leeds perspective? I know they have a lot of players from the team that finished 2nd last year.
Alun P
Alun P
We had a tough quarter with Manchester, which ended in less than ideal circumstances, and after that we didn't seem the same for the rest of the day, which our last two results really showed. It's a shame, because at Regionals we managed to respond to our only loss very well, but this time out we just lost something.
hazard
hazard
Any idea what was the difference between Regionals and Nationals? Just more on the line?
Alun P
Alun P
I think we just started slowly. We hadn't been in a hole like that at all this season, our only regional losses were by one or two, and we didn't have a plan to dig ourselves out and got flustered.
hazard
hazard
Ok, Alun, let’s take it back a step. Care to explain what you mean by less than ideal circumstances?
Alun P
Alun P
In our quarterfinal, with Manchester one ahead after the hooter, they put up a high shot. We got a defender under the disc, not necessarily in a position to make a bid, and a Manchester player came through their upper back at speed, comprehensively flattening them.
hazard
You guys had a few instances like that, right?
Alun P
Alun P
I was personally blindsided once in the endzone, and there was another instance which was much more 50:50, but we did seem to be contact magnets.
Spirit Chat - Level of Contact
hazard
Huh. Ok, quick detour from UXIN then, although feel free to use examples from there. How do we feel about the current level of contact in Ultimate? Should it be different for mixed?
Clackers
Clackers
I find that in Indoors, Nationals (either Mixed or Men's) has too high a level of contact than what I'm comfortable with, but Regionals is fine for me.
Rush
Rush
EUCF 2017 Natasha Lim (ex-GBU24) for Black Eagles... guy lays out through her for the disc. She's out for a significant amount of time, potentially longer than a year. Guy carries on playing, potential for a life-changing injury narrowly escaped. Non-contact sport is in the rules, why is it not in the game?
Alun P
Alun P
WFDF Rules 2017, Rule 1.1 - Ultimate is a non-contact, self-refereed sport
Rule 12.8 - All players must attempt to avoid contact with other players, and there is no situation where a player may justify initiating contact. “Making a play for the disc” is not a valid excuse for initiating contact with other players.
Rule 12.8 - All players must attempt to avoid contact with other players, and there is no situation where a player may justify initiating contact. “Making a play for the disc” is not a valid excuse for initiating contact with other players.
hazard
It’s a good starting point. In fact, it’s exactly where this Ultiworld article on bad bids started. I like their phrasing of the problem*, so I’ll quote it verbatim.
“It’s been a rough month for fans of the non-contact sport of ultimate.
“It’s been a rough month for fans of the non-contact sport of ultimate.
While calling ultimate “non-contact” has long been a misnomer (like it is in basketball), it has become increasingly clear that the level of acceptable contact between players has risen over the last 10-15 years. Players are more athletic, more willing to tacitly agree to physical play downfield, and more eager than ever to get that huge layout block.
But has the elite end of the sport reached a tipping point? 2016’s club and professional competition has been defined by a growing number of dangerous bids caught on video, and the health and safety of players are becoming a real concern.”
*I don’t, however, like how they call out specific plays to illustrate a general point, as I often think the discussion then focuses on the specific incident, and can become unspirited (it’s why this part of our chat is more general). This response from one of the players featured being fouled contains some of my reasoning. It's why this chat does not focus on the incidents in UXIN.
Ed Hanton
I'm not sure about different rules for Mixed. The rules are already there! Alun's example to me would be unacceptable in men's too.
Rush
Rush
Ruling for dangerous play is important here I believe.
Ed Hanton
Ed Hanton
I've found that contact is becoming more prevalent. Whether I've been playing at a higher level or that's how the sport is developing, I'm not sure...
And that's not just big contact, the small things like bodying up, pushing off cuts, arms to feel for your man etc.
And that's not just big contact, the small things like bodying up, pushing off cuts, arms to feel for your man etc.
hazard
Ed, do you even feel those small things shouldn’t be allowed? Or just saying that you’re noticing those happen more? Because there isn’t really a chance of injury from those, I can see why some might argue either way on that point.
Clackers
Clackers
Having those small things allowed can give more acceptability to the injury causing plays.
Ed Hanton
Ed Hanton
Agreed Clackers, the small things make it a smaller leap to the bigger fouls. I usually mention it to the player that they're fouling, either in the stack after a turn, or after the point. Then if they still do it, I start calling it
hazard
hazard
To give someone credit, I actually did that exact same thing (tell someone they were being too contact-y while trying to mark me) to Warwick captain Willem Garnier in our BUCS game. He was very happy to listen to me and came up to chat after the game to check he was ok. Just some good spirit to highlight.
Alun P
Alun P
Similarly, there was a big bloke from Glasgow who gave me an elbow in the ribs at the start of our game. I called it, he apologised, said it was accidental as he started to run, and nothing else happened for the rest of the game.
Ed Hanton
Ed Hanton
I've also almost always had good results with mentioning before calling technique. Usually people play to the contact of their opponents/level of the game (which is bad). But a small mention before actually calling a 'small foul' keeps it a lot more relaxed
gyanhan
gyanhan
As a female player I've been knocked over by someone trying to poach while we were swinging the disc against a wall, I was young and naive then and believed him when he said he was just making a play on the disc and he got to the disc first. I guess the rules just have to be highlighted extra clearly, because I know some people out there still believe making a play is like a golden rule above all other rules.
Ed Hanton
Ed Hanton
gyanhan, I think maybe that feeling comes from football (if you touch the ball first, no foul). The actual rule should therefore be stressed to beginners a lot more?
gyanhan
gyanhan
Also I've seen lots of talk about bad bids in the men's and mixed divisions in the UK but not so much in women's. This is despite seeing a whole bunch of horrible stories in the US women's division so I would say the UK women's ultimate scene hasn't reached that level of aggressiveness yet (hopefully never).
hazard
hazard
USAU and AUDL rules also lean towards touched-the-disc-means-it's-ok, so as top level US play becomes more visible, that attitude could become more common
hazard
hazard
It is worth saying that a lot of those players are fine with an increased level of contact. I know a few players who wish there could be a little more, and get excited when they find an opposition player also ok with increasing the aggressiveness.
This is actually something I found the spirit circles before games at EUCF quite good for. Increasing communication and talking about such things before games allows people to get their voices heard in a neutral setting, rather than in an emotionally charged one (during a game).
This is actually something I found the spirit circles before games at EUCF quite good for. Increasing communication and talking about such things before games allows people to get their voices heard in a neutral setting, rather than in an emotionally charged one (during a game).
When we had our repeat game with Imperial this weekend, I actually chatted to their captain quickly about the spirit in the previous game, since they would have submitted the score already. There wasn’t anything wrong - they were lovely - but it was nice to give that chance for feedback from both sides.
gyanhan
I would (perhaps controversially) say it's largely a Mixed division problem simply because the potential of damage is that much higher. But I think it's a mindset that has to change and some rule learning to be learnt by many, to simply avoid contact when you know there is potential for it.
Ed Hanton
Ed Hanton
I think beginners need to be taught better what 'no fouls' means. That 'making a play on the disc' isn't acceptable, that you don't need to have contact to call a foul (if you have to move out of the way to avoid contact). When to call dangerous play. If you're running up the line looking back and makes contact with a poach defender when coming in from downfield, who's at fault etc.
Alun P
Alun P
Somewhat sadly, in Ed's example, either player could pull up and call dangerous play against the other for failing to acknowledge the risk of contact and do everything possible to avoid it. The fact that no-one does that emphasises how much the community as a whole can still learn about the rules.
hazard
hazard
Ok. We’re closing this section with a quick poll, the results of will be anonymised. Do we as a group think:
1. There is way too much contact in Ultimate
2. There is slightly too much contact (5 people chose this)
3. The level of contact is about right (3 people chose this)
4. There could be slightly more contact (1 person chose this)
5. There is room for a lot more contact.
(1 person also managed to find an option for 2.5)
Best of the Rest
hazard
Alright, moving on. There were some teams that were very unfortunate to miss out on top 8. In my opinion, these were: Oxford, Hertfordshire and Aberdeen. Watching them, I’d say these teams had a real edge over anyone else in the bottom 12.
gyanhan
gyanhan
I thought Oxford did have a good chance of making the top 8, unfortunate that we met UBU in the cross though they deserved the win on that game. However I think the top 8 teams are all tough teams and with such slim margins in all the bracket games it's hard to say if Oxford would have done much better. When the games are so close it's not just plain ol frisbee skill that wins you games but mental toughness and some tactical smarts. The final placings seem fair, and I guess to be really nitpicky and slightly controversial teams should call themselves the best in the UK for the weekend of 25-26November and not really for the season haha :p With such margins are so tiny, anything could have been a factor. Someone mentioned earlier about winning the toss, so I say next year everyone should practice flipping some discs.
Alun P
Alun P
Hertfordshire remain as mysterious to me as they were going in. They held Edinburgh to a draw, but then failed to put away Reading, and were kept at arm's length by all the other top eight teams they played. Ernest Simons had the best calves at the tournament though.
It seemed like every time I got to see Oxford play, they were in trouble, but then you won all of those games. Maybe in future I should just stay away from you?
It seemed like every time I got to see Oxford play, they were in trouble, but then you won all of those games. Maybe in future I should just stay away from you?
gyanhan
It's really a case of performance VS competence I feel. You've got great teams coming into the weekend, it's just which teams can actually show what they're made of.
hazard
hazard
Also whether you happen to be playing on Sunday morning with one of your players really disliking mornings.
Becky Greenwood
Just to mention Aberdeen - they seemed to improve as the weekend went on, unfortunate for them that they came out so low against Loughborough - nerves?
Alun P
Top 10 Players
Alun P
Aberdeen came out bottom of a three-way, which is usually the source of overpowered teams in a lower bracket.
hazard
hazard
Against Birmingham and Loughborough too! Tough pool.
Alun P
Alun P
Only pool to produce three top eight teams, and Aberdeen even picked up a win against Birmingham. What a mess pool C was.
ATHunter
As an Aberdeen player I think our team were very happy with our Sunday performance in the games we had which were all convincing wins including a 15-5 win in the last game (13v14). As was stated because of the 3 way tie 13th was the highest we could come which we were frustrated and disappointed. In part this was down to our pool having several very strong teams who all deserved to have the chance to play in the top bracket. I think our belief is that had we had a cross over/not been screwed over by being 4th in the pool then we could have finished top 8 or at least top 10.ATHunter
Top 10 Players
hazard
Ok. I’m going to close the section on who we thought did well with the bit some people are going to scroll straight down too: who I thought were the top 10 performing players at the weekend. One caveat - I didn’t see Manchester, and they would probably have someone in here.
Men: Alan Jeuken (Glasgow), Joel Terry (Glasgow), Chris Habgood (Edinburgh), Ernest Simons (Hertfordshire), Cameron Mackie (Strathclyde)
Women: Grace Owen (Birmingham), Rupal Ghelani (Loughborough), Hayley Dalmon (Strathclyde), Bella Taite (Edinburgh), Kate Stafford (Edinburgh)
I felt Glasgow’s men were definitely their strong point. Alan Jeuken has developed so much, it is with utter joy I can include him here. I saw no one on any team working harder all weekend. Chris and Joel were respectively the bailout players for their teams, both with ridiculous grabs and throws. Cam was incredibly solid for Strathclyde, I didn’t see him put a foot wrong. As for Ernie, despite playing for a lower finishing team, he ranks as one of the toughest - across all teams - that I played. It took three quarters of the game for us to work out how to shut him down. If we hadn’t, Hertfordshire would have destroyed us.
For the women, Edinburgh’s women were phenomenal and the best of any in the tournament, I felt. Competent at all levels of the pitch, at all levels of play. Same with Hayley. I’ve already mentioned my respect for Grace, and Rupal has been mentioned too. Although her grab to win the game against Bath should be highlighted too.
Alun P
Shoutout to Elly White (Huddersfield) for possible grab of the weekend on Saturday. Knife was overthrown, way behind her, and then suddenly she launched backwards, grabbed it, popped up and threw the assist.
Rounding up the remaining teams
hazard
Huddersfield eh? What happened to them this weekend? Newcastle too. Odd to see two regional winners finish so low.
Becky Greenwood
Becky Greenwood
It was surprising the amount of first teams that ended up in the bottom 5!
Slender
Slender
Huddersfield definitely suffered from the 3G and bigger pitches at Alan Higgs. At times they didn’t really play their game and I think teams have started to work them out. They were unsettled by some poachy D looks off their men who might not quite be ready for the highest levels of nationals (came 14th at YEMUIR). This also probably means our region will lose at least 1 bid next year so we might actually have to put effort in to get to nationals ;) .
All I know about Newcastle is they definitely suffered from having two teams going to Nats. They started the Saturday with 6 players as they didn’t want to pull people up from their 2nd team at Div 2 and leave them high and dry. They also played a very high energy game which I wouldn’t really want to be playing if I only had one sub.
All I know about Newcastle is they definitely suffered from having two teams going to Nats. They started the Saturday with 6 players as they didn’t want to pull people up from their 2nd team at Div 2 and leave them high and dry. They also played a very high energy game which I wouldn’t really want to be playing if I only had one sub.
hazard
A lot of respect to Newcastle for not pulling players out of their seconds then. From memory, Oxford had no qualms about doing so when we were in that position a couple years ago…
gyanhan
gyanhan
Newcastle were also missing Kate Gibson to GB U24 training, and having played with her before I can attest she is a significant part of any team, she's an excellent cutter.
Clackers
Clackers
I wondered after Regionals if the teams at Nationals would be more equipped to dealing with Newcastle's offence. Was this the case?
Alun P
Alun P
In our game with Newcastle, at least, they just suffered from little things piling up. An early drop or two, several bricked pulls, and then legs started to tell.
Becky Greenwood
Becky Greenwood
On Huddersfield, I thought that the the bigger pitches made a Massive massive difference! They suit more conservative frisbee- and more aggressive defence. In small pitches angles are tighter so you have to jam a lot more- so highlight players perform a lot better- whereas in bigger pitches, the players running relentless undercuts get the glory because the highlight players can’t be arsed to follow them everywhere.
Alun P
Alun P
As I complained about in regional articles, the change from regionals to nationals makes the regional results a dreadful predictor for seeding, and means that the teams that qualify aren't necessarily the ones who will do best at Nationals. It's no coincidence that the three lowest placed regional winners were all from hard court regions. The game plan that got you there simply isn't relevant any more.
gyanhan
gyanhan
Huddersfield looked uncomfortable in their game against Hertfordshire, they threw two passes right into the hands of Ola Kulikowska who was marking their iso. They rely so largely on their women, and against Hertfordshire - a team who have such strong athletic female players - they were stifled.
We forgot about Nottingham, so here's a picture of them doing something cool here. Photo by Alice Hanton for the ShowGame |
hazard
Very small post on other teams - Reading (17th) also seemed to suffer with pitch size, as well as missing Ryan Coons and Emily Peach. I don’t think they were used to 3G, hoping they can get some training sessions on the stuff before Men’s Nationals for their sake.
Slender
Slender
Sheffield came 15th, and suffered from quite a few injuries, prior engagements and one big name drop out with a poor excuse two days before the weekend so we knew it might be tough. We were all really pleased with how promoted players stepped up. I think 15th was a reasonably fair assessment of how we played however all bar one of our games was close and if we hadn’t have switched off halfway through our game with you hazard (vs Oxford) I think we might have had a very different weekend. Personally I was really chuffed with how our systems worked at times against the highest level teams and think we’ve learned a lot to help us prepare for Men’s and Women’s Nationals after Christmas.
hazard
hazard
To finish (unless anyone else has anything to add), Warwick’s full public comments on the weekend, after finishing 18th.
https://twitter.com/WarwickUltimate/status/934848502936604673 |
Alun P
I guess you could say they found their performance...
UnBEARable
Mic drop